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Can musical instruments be used in Church services?
COMMENT: #4 REPLY #5
Well I am first
awaiting your scripture that contradicts God own wishes, and that is to have
music at the worship ceremonies. David stripped naked and danced unto
the Lord. What did he dance to? I am sure he wasn't dancing to
your dried up hymnals with no music. You have taken God's wishes and
made them into what you think they should be and you are trying to apply
them to everyone as God's command. I'm sure you would agree that God
doesn't condone sin. And God has never liked sin. And God will
never like Sin! So are you telling me that at one time God enjoyed sin
by commanding musical instruments? And the mosaic law was not a bad
thing niether. The law was our schoolmaster. The only reason we
didn't continue in the law is because it couldn't give us eternal life!
Once grace came, we no longer needed the schoolmaster to teach us.
However, that doesn't mean that everything that was taught in the old
testament was wrong.
There are many prophesies that we still read about in Daniel. That is
in the old testament. We still learn many things by reading the old
testament. The only thing that is different is we must know that the
mosaic law cannot save our souls.
And we are not bound by the old covenant. But none of this stuff has
anything to do with what God likes. And we do know that in one
scripture he did command music. Now you show me where he changed his
mind and told us not to continue in this manner of worship.
CLARIFICATION: #4 REPLY #5
You sound like a broken record, trying to use Old Testament law for justification to use musical instruments. I would be careful calling hymnals dried up. They contain Gods words in them, but you see this is the problem. You can only concentrate on the music. You completely over look what the word are saying. This is the thing God is trying to get across to you in His word. Singing spiritual songs from the heart is not listening to sounds, it’s listening to the words. Sounds can not teaching and admonishing one another. Sounds are not of the Spirit, but Gods words are spiritual and live giving.
John
6:63 It is t
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
You’re right about the Old Law W A S our schoolmaster. We learn that God did command music. He commanded specific types of instruments to be played. We are now no longer under the schoolmaster nor are we commanded to use musical instruments.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Your comment: “And we are not bound by the old covenant. But none of this stuff has anything to do with what God likes”
Gods
Law is what God "likes". There’s no different in what God "likes" and what God
Commands. He "likes" a person who obeys his commandments. His commandments have
changed when the New Covenant was reviled to us. His new commandment is to
sing, not play.
Your comment: “And
we do know that in one scripture he did command music. Now you show me
where he changed his mind and told us not to continue in this manner of
worship.”
OK!
Old commandment:
2 Chronicles 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king’s seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
New commandment:
Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
Acts 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Hebrews 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
One more point. The Old Law says to keep the Sabbath holy. Show me one place where the New Law says not to keep it holy.
Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Now what the New Law does say is this.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Now let me ask you a question. Do you observe the Old Law commandment and keep Saturday holy or the New Law commandment and meet on Sunday?
END OF COMMENT: #4 REPLY #5
COMMENT: #4 REPLY #6
By no means am I
saying that we should fall back to the law. Those are your words not
mine. I understand that the words in the song is the true meaning of
the song. Ever hear of repetitious prayers (or hymns)? Just
because you say the words, doesn't mean they have the same meaning everytime
you say them. You go through the, hum-drum, words of those old dried
up hymnals, and just because you say the words, you think God is pleased
with you. Get real! The songs must have feelings! You
can't tell me that everytime you mouth those words, that you've heard a
hundred times, that you are singing from your heart.
Again, I will say that the bottom line is " Praise and Worship."
You can praise God on the cymbals, the harp, the piano, the guitar, and the
voice! I guess all the dumb people, who cannot speak, cannot praise
God?
CLARIFICATION: #4 REPLY #6
Your comment “You go through the, hum-drum, words of those old dried up hymnals, and just because you say the words, you think God is pleased with you. Get real!“Our
songs come from the scriptures. They are about a beautiful story of our
Creator loving us so much; he gave his Son to suffer the death on the
cross. The song that comes to mind is:
Tell
me the story of Jesus, Write on my heart every word, tell me the story most
precious, sweetest that ever was heard.
Just reading the opening verse of this song nearly brings a tear to my eyes. I don’t have to have rhythm from cymbals, the harp, the piano, or the guitar. I’ve sung this song 100’s of times and I will never consider them “words of those old dried up hymnals”. This is because the words have feeling.
Your comment “The songs must have feelings! “
You did bring up a great point, which I consider this entire conversation worthwhile because of it, and that is the deaf people in this world. My dad interpreted for the deaf in the church of Christ he attended. During the singing, he would open the songbook and point to the words as everyone was singing and the deaf brother would sign for the others who where deaf.
This
is the last communication I will have with you. I will shake the dust from
my feet and move on. The reason for my decision is because of your last
line.
Your
comment “I guess all the dumb people, who cannot speak, cannot praise
God?”
You
see not only can the mute people of this world praise God, but also the deaf
people can praise God. Guess what, they can’t hear your instrumental music,
but they can make melody in their heart.
Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
END OF COMMENT: #4 REPLY #6
COMMENT: #4 REPLY #7
you
can shake the dust off your feet if you want. It won't matter because
that dried up desert of a church your in your in dust up to your neck!
You actually think that God wants to be there? Not according to what
he tells us in the old testamnet. It might be a new testament but it
is the same God. And God never changes. So you go ahead and
dread going to that church and I'll go where God is. Oh hey, your
church will probably be the first to go to heaven though.
The bible does say "The dead in christ shall rise first." I
just hope you don't get offended when you hear the trumpet sounding or the
harps playing in heaven.
I bet there will be no music in hell though!
END OF COMMENT: #4 REPLY #7
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